There’s a great piece today on the Newham Recorder wesbite, which is so good in fact, I’m going to nick it and post it here.
It builds on the debate started on this blog about the filming of Tower Hamlets council meetings.
I’ve noted before the hugely different styles of the two mayors of Tower Hamlets and Newham. I don’t know Robin Wales well enough to make any full judgments but he does seem to be just a little more transparent than Lutfur. Of course, that may well be an illusion as Robin does have the advantage of an all Labour council.
So well done to the Newham Recorder for asking the pair to discuss their thinking on allowing in cameras to council meetings.
Last week, the East London Advertiser ran a piece in which Lutfur’s pitbull, Cllr Alibor Choudhury, criticised Communities Secretary Eric Pickles as a hypocrite. Alibor said it was double-standards of the minister to demand council cabinets be filmed when cabinets in Downing Street are held behind closed doors.
When I read that article I tweeted to ask whether he was a bit thick.
Lutfur repeats the line in his piece in the Newham Recorder. Maybe he thinks we’re the ones who are thick. Council cabinets are, of course, already open to the public. No one is seriously suggesting that should be the case in Downing Street – or are they?
He also says Jim Fitzpatrick is a hypocrite for not allowing cameras into Labour’s Parliamentary party meetings. Again, thick. A clue for Lutfur: those meetings you attend are part of the open democratic process. That’s why the public are allowed in. Which is why the public should be allowed to film.
Anyway, here’s the debate:
Mayor of Newham Sir Robin Wales
Newham Council has voted to allow filming of all future meetings of our council – including its committees – from our public gallery.
The public have placed their trust in us, to spend their money on services that matter to them.
There is a very good reason why they are called “public” meetings. How could we therefore possibly argue that the public does not have the right to see democracy in action?
Our decision, to open up our democracy and engage further with our residents, is the opposite of what is going on at Tower Hamlets.
I watched – on the internet – appalled as Cabinet members and officers of Tower Hamlets council tried to silence an elderly community campaigner as he argued passionately for his right to film, and for others to be able to see the result.
What do the Mayor and Cabinet of Tower Hamlets have to hide? How can they possibly justify banning filming, Tweeting and live blogging of public meetings in the 21st century?
And what does it do to build public trust in politics more widely when a clique seeks to shut the public out from decisions made on their behalf?
Of course there should be sensible safeguards. Residents should be able to protect their privacy from those who seek to film.
Commercial negotiations and decisions cannot always be made in public.
But with common sense, the vast majority of our discussions and decisions can be opened to wider public scrutiny.
Labour leader Ed Miliband was right when he argued passionately for a new kind of politics to rebuild public confidence.
That has to based on values of openness, engagement and accountability.
A well-run and accountable council should have nothing to hide.
That is why Newham has made these changes.
In the 21st century it is not enough for democracy to simply happen. It has to be seen to happen.
Mayor of Tower Hamlets Lutfur Rahman
I am grateful to be asked where I stand on the filming of council cabinet meetings. For the record, and as a believer in open government, I am in favour of it—as long as it is governed by the same rules that govern the filming of Parliament.
As a believer in open government, I’m in favour of it – as long as it is governed by the same rules that govern the filming of Parliament. I’m also in favour of the filming of our full council meetings, providing they conform to standards set by Parliament, respecting the public who may not wish to appear on film, and filming only those speaking.
Our MP, Jim Fitzpatrick (Labour, Poplar and Limehouse), and his political ally Cllr Peter Golds (Conservative, Blackwall and Cubitt Town), have not asked me where I stand. This has not stopped them from trying to create a storm in a teacup, going to the press and Parliament with tales that do not represent my position.
Mr Fitzpatrick asked local government secretary Eric Pickles his opinion in Parliament, while taking a side-swipe at the council.
Sadly for him, Mr Pickles didn’t appear to know what his own policy was. It’s not compulsory for local authorities to allow filming, whatever the secretary of state may think. He seems to think that Cabinet meetings should be filmed while full council meetings should not. What logic is there in this?
That’s why, when we do it, we must get it right and at a cost that residents are prepared to pay.
The issue has come to prominence after a member of the public produced a camera phone at a meeting and was asked not to film.
This is because the council has yet to have a system in place for filming meetings and the public may not have wished to be filmed.
These concerns are those of Parliamentary authorities which is why the same individual would have been prevented from doing the same in the Commons.
I know Mr Pickles likes to be filmed eating burgers. But will he argue with David Cameron to allow cameras into Downing Street to film his Cabinet meetings? Or will Mr Fitzpatrick allow cameras in to film his parliamentary Labour Party meetings? Somehow I doubt it.
Golly.
To hide everything because they are afraid the people will be disgusted with their activities or to be open and transparent because they have nothing to hide and no wish to hide anything ?
Wonder what London’s excellent and wonderful Tower Hamlets Borough Council will do ? Suppose it depends on how much unexplainable hanky panky they have created whilst in the service of their local community.
Will someone donate to the mayor a gigantic bottle of disinfectant he can spray into all those murky corners prior to filming ?
Curious Cat
On the whole, I like to leave self publicity to Wales. However, in this instance I’d like to direct people to my latest blog post:
http://newhamnettles.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/landmark-newham-council-transparency.html?m=1
Oh dear I roughly agree with Lutfur! I will phone the GP’s surgery and make an emergency appointment in the morning – I must be having a meltdown of some sort.
I think the filming has to be done properly (code of conduct/protocols etc) otherwise it will end up being very politicised and biased (ie edited to misrepresent what has gone on.
I am gonna blow my own trumpet here a bit. Ted, I am sure you will recall that after I was first elected as a councillor in 2006, on the opposite benches of the Labour group, I attempted to bring forward a motion on webcasting full council meetings upon two seperate occassions. However, it was the very same Labour group that did not support my motions. I am a little dissapointed that you have not made any mention of this fact in your stories around this issue. The Labour group were never in favour of webcasting council meetings when they had the opportunity to do so for many years, so please spare us the woes of transparency from a Labour group perspective!
Happy to verify that. Can’t remember writing about it at the time, otherwise would have mentioned that.
However, answer this: do you think Alibor and Lutfur are a bit thick for comparing cabinets?
And why didn’t Shahed and his mates vote to support our budget amendments in 2012 which would have funded live streaming? Can’t take kudos for willing the ends if you don’t will the means.
Lutfur has it wrong. The issue is not how the council should record their meetings as he is indicating. Pickles has said that the public are allowed to, which is what Robin Wales is promoting and for which there is no cost. Left to LBTH we would get some edited version they produced to suit themselves with them regularly retiring because they don’t want something they are discussing recorded.
Lutfur is not thick. And he’s not ignorant. We know that. But he is playing to his supporters, many of whom are completely ignorant of how the British political system works and some of whom are actually, well, thick. So he can justify his desire to keep town hall shenanigans concealed from the British public to his core supporters, who afterall are the only people who matter to him, by saying “it’s unfair”, they are “hypocrites” and I’m the underdog “victim” who is being persecuted by the racist white fellas. It’s a narrative that works for him.
The narrative that works for us is law. If its lawful to film how can council stop us lawfully? It could keep suspending its meetings and closing the gallery but that would fall short of standards, wouldn’t it? Maybe this issue could become the one which forces special measures…
Anyway – when’s full council next? I’m up for a laugh